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different omega estimates
Apr 11th, 2008 at 8:27am
 
Hello,

For three alignments I've tried, the estimate of dN/dS fromquickselectiondetection.bf is very different from dN/dS estimate using dSdN.bf (from phylohandbook section) - using the same tree + MG94xRev. E.g. for one gene values are 0.66 vs. 0.44. For all 3 cases, the estimate from quickselection was greater than from dSdN.

I also tried both methods on MammalsBirds.nex from phylohandbook data
- using quickselectiondetection.bf (with MG94xRev): dN/dS=0.0931387
- using dSdN.bf: dN=0.124807, dS=3.27109 (dN/dS=0.038)

It is not clear to me how these methods differ - from hyphybook2007 and my previous understanding it seems like:
- dN/dS in quickselection is the MLE of beta/alpha given the codon alignment/tree
- dN and dS in dSdN are calculated using expected syn and nonsyn substitutions, which are determined based on the rate matrix given the MLE of all parameters (which would include beta/alpha?)

What have I got wrong?

Thanks very much Smiley
Leslie
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Re: different omega estimates
Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2008 at 11:13am
 
Dear Leslie,

dNdS.bf fits a local (different dN/dS for every branch) model,  whereas QuickSelectionDetection.bf fits a global (same dN/dS for all branches) model. The 'mean' dN/dS is actually not very well defined for the local model (taking dN tree length / dS tree length is only a crude approximation), so I wouldn't suggest comparing the two directly.

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Re: different omega estimates
Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2008 at 5:21am
 
Thanks Sergei!
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