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Kartik

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GARD
Apr 12^th, 2011 at 11:23am

Hi,

First of all, my apologies if this is a silly question. I'm new to phylogenetics. When I run GARD and SPB analyses on datamonkey server, GARD tells me that it did not find any evidence for recombination. SPB on the other hand identifies '503' as a possible position for recombination. I want to know...

1. Am I interpreting the results wrongly? Are the two algorithms used for different purposes?

2. If SPB is correct and if there is a breakpoint at the particular position, then will it have an impact on the selection analyses (site models and branch-site models)?

3. If it does have an impact, then can I overcome this problem by dividing the alignment into two partitions (1-503 and the rest) and carryout the selection analyses?

Thank you very much,
Kartik

PS: Datamonkey and hyphy rock!

GARD
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The alignment contained 430 potential breakpoints, translating into the search space of 430 models with up to 1 breakpoints of which 350.93% was explored by the genetic algorithm.

Recombination report

GARD found no evidence of recombination

SPB
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AIC Yes 46.3 503 100.00%

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Reply #1 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 1:44pm

Hi kartiks,

GARD uses a more conservative information criterion (small sample AIC, or AIC-c); it requires stronger evidence to declare recombination in an alignment. In your case, SBP should have also found no recombination under AIC-c or BIC. The original manuscript conducted simulations and other comparative studies using AIC-c; AIC is reported by SBP for reference purposes only.

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Kartik Sunagar YaBB Newbies Offline Feed your monkey! Posts: 6	Re: GARD Reply #2 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 2:14pm Dear Sir, Thank you very much for the reply. When you say SBP results under AIC should be used just for reference, does it mean I should consider the results of GARD? That there is no recombination in the dataset? Thank you very much for your time, Yours Sincerely, Kartik
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Sergei YaBB Administrator Offline Datamonkeys are forever... Posts: 1658 UCSD Gender:	Re: GARD Reply #3 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 4:29pm Hi Kartik, Yes, please use the results of GARD and SBP under AIC-c. From what I recall from my simulations in 2005, AIC gives a lot of false positives, and BIC -- too many false negatives, hence they are not recommended as the default criterion. Sergei
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Kartik Sunagar YaBB Newbies Offline Feed your monkey! Posts: 6	Re: GARD Reply #4 - Apr 14^th, 2011 at 1:34pm Thank you very much Sir, for the reply
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